Kim Kardashian West doesn’t care what you say about her — she’s still going to champion criminal justice reform. Which is exactly what happened after she visited President Trump at the White House and he released former convict Alice Marie Johnson.

At Variety and Rolling Stones Criminal Justice Reform Summit, CNN commentator Van Jones hosted a conversation with Kardashian West about how she got the attention of the new administration.

First Kardashian West reached out to Ivanka Trump, who connected them to her husband, Jared Kushner. “He has been amazing. He has fully listened,” Kardashian West said. “Ivanka was amazing in really connecting me. And we really worked together as a team to present Alice’s case.”

Jones pressed, “But you’re not a Trump person. I don’t mean to get into your business. A lot of people I think might say, ‘I just… I just… I just… TRUUUUMP!’ They can’t get over that to make the call… How does that work in your mind?”

“I did consider the fact that I would get a lot of backlash if I went to the White House,” Kardashian West explained. “For me, if it’s a life versus my reputation. People talk s— about me all day long, I didn’t really care. What more could they say about me, seriously? When I outweighed the options of bad stories about me that would probably last a week in this news cycle, versus saving someone’s life, that wasn’t an option. I will gladly go there and take the heat. Okay, if he’s gonna listen to me and he’s taking the meeting, maybe I can really get through to him and really explain to him. From meeting all of the people that I have met behind bars, I guarantee you, they don’t care who signs that clemency paper.”