“The Rise of Skywalker” director J.J. Abrams discussed at a recent press junket the kinds of projects he’d like to take on after wrapping up the “Star Wars” saga.

“I do love visual effects, but that’s not the driving force of any of this. When you look at films like ‘The Irishman’ and ‘Once Upon a Time in Hollywood,’ those are stories where yes, you can spend time, if you want to, talking about the de-aging process or about recreating late ’60s Westwood, but the fact is, those are stories where the visual effects are actually beside the point,” Abrams says. “I’d love to tell a story where there are still a thousand visual effects shots, but no one is really thinking that.”

“Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” is in theaters Dec. 20.