Mark Pellegrino on ‘Supernatural’ Season 13’s Unlikely Alliances and Lucifer as a ‘Fish Out of Water’

Jack Rowand

The CW’s long-running demon hunting drama “Supernatural” first introduced Lucifer in its fifth season, which culminated with the fallen angel entering Sam Winchester’s (Jared Padalecki) vessel, beating his brother Dean (Jensen Ackles) bloody, and jumping back into the pit to return to Hell. But as the years went on, Hell proved not to be strong enough to contain Lucifer and now, in the show’s 13th season, he is back in his most common vessel (Mark Pellegrino) more permanently as a series regular.

“Whatever permanent means in the ‘Supernatural’ realm, it was a pleasant surprise,” Pellegrino tells Variety. “I have always been a part of the ‘Supernatural’ family but more like the red-headed stepchild, so I feel a little more of a fraternal member now.”

Season 13 sees Lucifer trapped with Mary (Samantha Smith) in the alternate, post-apocalyptic world. It is a place in which Sam and Dean were never born and therefore were never able to save the world, but as a contrast to the “real” world, it is a world in which Lucifer was defeated – killed – by his brother, Michael (Christian Keyes). Therefore, even though he has all of his powers in that world, he is a bit of a “fish out of water” there.

“For the first time, he finds himself a little in over his head,” Pellegrino says. “He’s introduced to a narrative that doesn’t work for him, and the rebellious guy that he is, he finds himself fighting that narrative, and that becomes as much an element as anything else in the story.”

Here, Pellegrino talks with Variety about the unlikely alliance that will be Lucifer and Mary this season, a new brother dynamic with Michael, and siring one of the most powerful beings in the world of “Supernatural.”

What is the motivation behind Lucifer teaming up with Mary to figure out the alternate world this season? Does he need her more than she needs him over there?

He wants to use her as a bargaining chip. As far as Lucifer is concerned, the boys has something he wants, he has something they want, and a fair exchange can be made and all parties satisfied. So he certainly wants to keep her for an exchange with Jack [Alexander Calvert].

It doesn’t seem like she would trust that he’d keep her alive. How do they relate to each other in this strange new world?

I think she doesn’t trust Lucifer, in the way that Dean would never trust Lucifer. He’s an entity of a particular kind, which is a great throughline in a number of episode – this nature/nurture argument that occurs between Dean and Sam. I think she would fall on the nature argument, and so I don’t think she would ever fully trust him. She will probably try to use him for her survival as well, and you will see, at least in one episode, that actually comes to pass. He protects her against a gang of angels that come after Lucifer and she would have been part of the fall-out. They’re sort of an odd couple, strange bedfellows. They’re temporarily allied under strange circumstances, until things can get back to normal again.

You mentioned he wants to exchange Mary for Jack, which seems to imply he believes the rift can be re-opened. What steps is he taking to make sure that happens?

He’s just on the hunt, on the search. I don’t even think he knows what the nature of the rift is or why it was caused. He’s just trying to find it.

Is he confident that if and when it opens Jack will come to him with open arms?

I want to say he has a sort of romantic view – maybe I’m overstepping but a romantic view – of his relationship with a son. The idea of connecting with a son and being involved in nurturing a son, there is that fatherly sense of pride and desire to connect there. There is a stake in wanting to influence his son’s development, like any good father, and I think it’s genuine. I don’t think when he expresses his pride for his son and his curiosity about his son that it’s empty or utilitarian, I think he really does want to connect.

Is there any concern that Jack being more powerful than him is a threat to him?

So far it’s pride. It’s pride in the power and pride in what he helped to create. He knows a nephilim’s powers are almost equal to God, and that’s enticing to him. That’s fascinating. He wants to be involved in developing them.

In this world, Lucifer should no longer exist, so does he find himself constantly having to prove he is who he says he is?

It does seem to be a sort of thread that’s going through the stories, yeah. And it becomes a kind of annoying thing for him.

Michael killed Lucifer once in this world, and he probably believes there is only one of everyone in the world, so what is the dynamic like when those two meet?

It’s a tough one. I consider all of the dynamics between the big angels to be brother dynamics, and I think the same thing happens here, but Michael is definitely a different Michael in the alternate universe, and that includes his powers. This is where Lucifer has to confront the reality of not being top dog, and I think Lucifer handles it with his typical irreverence and disregard, at least outwardly, for any authority over him.

This Michael and Lucifer don’t share the story or the history, but in a way they are still brothers, so is there a sense of wanting to get to know each other at all from either of them?

I think you’re going to find the commonality will be in the strange bedfellows. Necessity becomes the element that brings some folks into alliances they never thought would happen in a million years.

“Supernatural” airs on Thursdays at 8 p.m. on the CW.