‘The Flash’ Boss on Shocking Zoom Reveal: ‘He Played Them All’

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Spoiler warning: Do not read on unless you’ve seen “The Flash” Season 2, Episode 15, titled “King Shark.”

Fans have been speculating about the identity of “The Flash’s” villainous Zoom since Season 2 began, but the truth proved to be even more shocking than we could’ve predicted: the man we’ve come to know as Jay Garrick (Teddy Sears) — beloved by comic book fans as the first iteration of The Flash in the Golden Age of comics — was revealed to be Zoom, aka Hunter Zolomon… Seconds after dumping the body of the man who appeared to be Jay Garrick on the ground back on Earth-2. But how? For that reveal, we’ll sadly have to wait until after “The Flash” returns from its mini-hiatus on March 22.

Our suspicions were raised after Caitlin (Danielle Panabaker) attempted to track down Jay’s Earth-1 counterpart in the Jan. 26 episode “The Reverse-Flash Returns” (a title that has now taken on a poetic double meaning) only to discover that “Jay Garrick” didn’t exist on our Earth, and instead, Jay’s doppelganger was a man named Hunter Zolomon — the alter ego of Zoom in DC Comics canon.

While fans may be forgiven for thinking that the Zoom storyline seems eerily reminiscent of last season’s twist, which revealed that the Reverse Flash, Eobard Thawne (Matt Letscher), had assumed the identity of scientist Dr. Harrison Wells (Tom Cavanagh) in order to gain the trust of Barry Allen (Grant Gustin), executive producer Andrew Kreisberg tells Variety that the parallel is entirely by design.

“For us, it could only happen because of what happened last season,” Kreisberg explains. “For Barry and the others, as much as they were stung by Wells/Thawne’s betrayal, he had been their mentor and friend and they all felt that vacuum when he was gone. Jay had been watching them and knew that so he was able to masterfully step into the role each of them needed. He became a friend and mentor to Barry. A love interest to the heartbroken Caitlin. He skillfully played them all.”

The twist is particularly surprising given Jay’s iconic status in the DC universe, but Kreisberg says that fan expectations helped conceal their master plan for Zoom. “We knew there’d be a fair amount of the audience who would know who Jay Garrick was and would take the character and anything he said at face value because of his past history,” he points out. “With this, we were better able to hide the ball as it were as to Zoom’s true identity. Who would suspect the big bad was the classic hero from the comics?”

To learn more about Zoom’s endgame, we’ll have to wait until “The Flash” returns to The CW with all new episodes on March 22.

Did you suspect that Jay was Zoom? Who do you think is the man in the mask? Share your reactions below!

 

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  1. Flash Fan says:

    Before Jay revealed his identity as Zoom, why didn’t Dr. Wells know that “Jay”_ wasn’t the Flash from Earth 2? Theyre from the same earth, and E2 flash doesn’t wear a mask so…….Why didn’t Wells notice that the guy in the red suit wasn’t really the guy in the red suit?

  2. I had my suspicions, especially considering that Zoom always seemed to show up when “Jay”😒wasn’t around…
    But I really wanted to believe that he wasn’t Zoom because I really loved SnowJay.

    Still pissed btw👌

  3. well i have read the comics to i knew who he was :)

  4. Mike Jones says:

    Oh damn… I actually thought it would have been Oliver Queen from Earth 2.. I just finished the episode where Jay showed caitlyn his earth 1 doppelganger. . Fml cw..

  5. OK, just thought of a new theory just now. Zoom is…Reverse Flash!

    Think about it; supposedly Reverse-Flash was erased from history when Eddie Thawne shot himself. So why does everyone remember him? Why is Barry’s mother still dead?

    My theory is that the universe dealt with the paradox by throwing RF into Earth-2, where Eddie Thawne was still alive and so he still existed.

    We know that RF is able to change his appearance, so why make himself look like Jay Garrick? That’s where the Man in the Mask comes in who is really…Eddie Thawne 2!

    RF remembers what happened on Earth-1 when Eddie shot himself, so doesn’t want to risk getting “erased” again by having someone kill Eddie 2. So he kidnaps Eddie 2 and locks him up, to keep him nice and safe. And he puts on the mask just in case someone recognizes him and decides to try to erase RF by killing Eddie. And to make sure that Eddie 2 doesn’t kill himself like Eddie 1 did, he disguises himself as Jay Garrick, so Eddie 2 doesn’t realize that he’s Zoom’s ancestor. This is why Eddie was signing “Jay Garrick” to Flash, because he thinks that Zoom is Jay Garrick.

    That would also explain why Zoom is obsessed with Barry back on Earth-1. He hates to leave a job unfinished. Oh, and he needs his speed to stay alive, since he went and stole Jay Garrick’s speed.

    • Debanuj says:

      well that’s a long shot but an interesting theory…

      • keiserthefirst says:

        Nah I think that the man in the Iron mask is Zoom’s Father. Right before he broke loose he said “you can’t lock up the darkness” to Barry. Barry paused as if sensing that it was significant and asked “what did you say?”. I think Zoom has his Father locked up and is terrified of the power he has over him. His Father is his darkness because of his treatment of his Mother.

      • Me: V says:

        That’s an interesting theory. But isn’t Zoom supposed to be taking V9? RF never needed V9. He was a natural speedster who got so fast by actually solving the speed equation. It’s a cool theory though.

      • ben says:

        guys plz help me. Is jay Garrick Zoom?

  6. Well, I’m pretty sure it’s not Jay Garrick – at least “our” Jay Garrick. Jay and Zoom weren’t even in the same UNIVERSE at the same time at one point, and this was with the breaches closed so Zoom couldn’t have crossed over.

    And then we have the man in the mask. Zoom hasn’t killed this guy, but has taken great pains to conceal his identity. Could it be yet another Jay Garrick under th

  7. Cesen says:

    i think that man in zooms cage is jay garrick’s future.and zoom is hunter zolomons future

    • So then why does the man in the mask sign “Jay Garrick”?

      I think the man in the cage is someone from the present, and Zoom is from the future. It would explain why Zoom is so eager conceal his identity, but to keep him prisoner rather than killing him. If someone realized who he was, all they’d have to do is kill the masked man and poof! Zoom vanishes in a puff of smoke, just like the Reverse-Flash did when Eddie killed himself (and yet people still remember him, and Barry’s mother is still dead even though Reverse-Flash was never born…how’s that work)

  8. fiekie88SA says:

    i think that there is one one jay/hunter(either one) per earth. however, zoom from earth two may not be from earth two. we already see that moving from one earth to another IS possible. so perhaps in the cw arrow-verse, zoom is from another earth….3 or 4, and is moving his way to each other universe to steal HIS doppelgangers speeds, knowing they would possibly be a flash as well.

  9. David says:

    I suspect that Zoom is NOT the real Jay Garrick. I think the real Jay Garrick (earth 2 Flash) is the guy in the mask being held captive. The two clue to this is when we saw that on Earth one, the guy that looks like Jay is Hunter Zolomon. That is “Jay’s” real doppelgänger. He is Hunter Zolomon, not Jay Garrick.

  10. Nickles says:

    So my theory is that zoom is earth 2 Jay garrick from the future, having gone crazy from using velocity so much… the person he pulled through the gate was himself in the past (present timeline)… I know what your thinking, if he killed himself than he would cease to exist, but as we’ve learned that time travel isnt like back to the future, zoom killing his past self would have no effect on his future self as this time is zooms present…

    So now that leaves the man in the iron mask, it could and probably is wally west, another flash, or it could be Jay garrick from another universe, timeline or whatever, but I’m leaning towards it being wally west, Or hunter zolomon who we’ve yet to see after the time on the bench…

    The time theory is the one I’m leaning towards most although I am more confused on the man in the mask…

  11. Prince says:

    Jay garrick has a twin brother…. Dr. Harrison from earth 2 made them,,, Garrick’s twin brother is ZOOM

  12. Sam c says:

    I really thought that Barry’s dad’s double from earth 2 was zoom . He was the flash in 1990 movie.

  13. Tin6od says:

    Here is my revised theory from a response to another thread. Thus far, without being cliche and stealing storylines from last season including a transmutator and time travel, this is the most likely scenario that is playing out. I honestly have more faith in the writers than the others here in not rehashing the exact same storyline we just witnessed last season. I am almost certain they are going with something extremely creative and mindboggling. If they aren’t, that sucks and they should just hire me to be a part of their writing staff. Now, the revised theory:

    Honestly, I was heading in this direction but simply did not like the idea of there being twins on both Earths. However, more than likely, this is the correct theory. Nice articulation of the theory by the way. The only problem with this entire theory – the reason I did not favor it originally and discarded it – is that twins have identical DNA. Therefore, Earth 1 Zolomon would share the same DNA as Earth 2 Garrick if there was indeed an Earth 1 Garrick. Although it has not been thoroughly explained, I presumed the audience was to believe that Garrick was able to obtain a sample of Earth 1 Zolomon’s DNA and tested it himself without him knowing. However, here is a revision to my theory:

    There are only 3 of them and not 4. We can extrapolate rather accurately that Zoom is Earth 2 Zolomon and the man in the iron mask is Earth 2 Flash, Jay Garrick. The mystery surrounds the Garrick that was on Earth 1: Who was he? I believe he has been Earth 1 Zolomon this entire time. Check it out:

    I posed that Zoom may be two people. What if this is correct or damn near close to it? Zoom is Earth 2 Zolomon. What if Zoom has been working with Earth 1 Zolomon the entire time? When the wormhole opened up, Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick never made it through. Earth 2 Garrick was captured by Zoom – we clearly saw he was in the clutches of Zoom as the wormhole opened up. Zoom, however, went through the wormhole and found his doppelganger, Earth 1 Zolomon. He put Earth 1 Zolomon up to acting as Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick. Remember when Garrick and Caitlin were on the bench and we initially learned of Hunter Zolomon from Earth 1? What if that was actually Zoom (Earth 2 Zolomon) himself, in the flesh, sitting on that bench, as Garrick (who is actually Earth 1 Zolomon) played Caitlin for a fool? Perhaps this is the real reason “Garrick” does not have his speed any longer – it is because he has NEVER had any speed! He is simply normal ol’ Earth 1 Zolomon with no special powers at all pretending to be Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick whilst the real Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick is the man in the iron mask. Makes sense why “Garrick” sucks as “The Flash” and has that obvious blunder against Geomancer where he stumbles and rolls like an amateur.

    Honestly, at this point, this is the only theory that makes sense considering Garrick’s DNA should match Zolomon’s no matter what – they are carbon copies of each other. For Caitlin to have been duped by this makes sense only for the moment, because she is caught up in love. However, I think eventually Caitlin will be the one who discovers all of this once she realizes what “Garrick” said doesn’t make any sense.

    • Easto says:

      When Garrick on Earth 1 faced Geomancer and used his speed buh stumbled his lighting wasnt blue buh red. Now how is that possibly

    • Yash Srivastava says:

      Your theory that Earth 1 zolomon acting as Jay Garrick from Earth 2 never had the power. This is wrong because if he didn’t had any powers how could he take velocity 8 or 9 and become the flash? He must have the speed force within him to be able to become the flash.

      • Bryan Brunelle says:

        They don’t need the speed force in their system”as the trajectory episode will show”

    • There are four of them.. Jay earth 1 being in zoom’s cage, zoom hunter zolomon from earth two.. jay earth 2(helmet flash) and hunter zolomon earth 1.. dude chilling on the bench.

      zoom(hunter) stashed jay from earth 1 in his cage so that earth 2 flash can’t find his double to replace his cells…because more than one flash at a time is a threat.

      • AlonV says:

        Yes this is the exact theory I had in mind too! I agree with you.

      • Hunter zolomon – Earth 2(Zoom)
        Hunter Zolomon – Earth 1 (Bench dude)
        Jay Garrick – Earth 2(Helmet Flash)
        Jay Garrick – Earth 1(Locked in zoom’s cage)

        Hunter Zolomon IS zoom DEAL with IT.

  14. Samuel P says:

    Different theory from everyones:
    Jay Garrik is not dead after the whole arm through the chest thing. Since he still had velocity in his system he might not of been effected the same way(there was no blood or hole in his costume after the fact like it has been displayed when others die in that fasion). On top of that he is the real Jay Garrik and Professor Zoom is actually Earth 1 Hunter Zolomon. (no twins, just jays doppleganger with a different name.) The man in the iron mask is the future version of Jay(more on this later). First things first, E1 team flash is clearly going to end up opening another portal to E2. With the build-up and introduction of velocity 9, I would be amazed if it didn’t have something to do with the climax. My prediction is that through a series of events, future jay will end up with E1 team flash(older/grey hair), zoom will be outed as E1 Hunter Zolomon(future), E1 hunter zolomon(present) will get caught in the cross fire and eventually trapped in E2’s past along with Jay Garrik(present).

    I would also be amazed if Zoom wasn’t using a super enhanced velocity 9 to gain his speed. This could explain why he is so fast, never shows up for an extended period of time, and is trying to steal Barry’s permanent speed in order to make his speed permanent. Could also be the cause of the blue lightning.

    I also think that velocity 9 will be introduced to E1 Hunter Zolomon(present) and facilitates a hunger for power in him that eventually leads him down the road to becoming Zoom in E2.

    Also, if Zoom is a future version of Hunter Zolomon than Krisanbergs comments would make sense. He knows what is going to happen and therefore plays them all from behind the scenes. Alowing Jay to be incorporated into team flash so that Snow would get close to him and then perfect velocity 9 and eventually lead to his past self getting ahold of it.

    • Only problem is Hunter Zolomon is Jay Garrick’s Earth 1 doppleganger.

    • batsupe says:

      The man in the iron mask is Jay Garrick period. Or at least he has the same face, hence “the man in the iron mask” however it is still unclear which version or what time period that particular Jay is from. Also we have to take into consideration that we know nothing about the man who we’ve known to be Jay Garrick all season long. He could very well have been lying about a lot more than just how he lost his powers. We really don’t know anything about Zoom, Jay, or the man in the iron mask at this point, other than they all have the same face.

  15. Michael Perry says:

    Ok here is the real story. Jay Garrick has a twin, which is Hunter Zolomon – this much we know so keep following me. Jay Garrick and Hunter Zolomon are twins on both Earth-1 AND Earth-2. Zoom is the Earth-2 Hunter Zoloman, and Jay Garrick is who he says he is to Team Flash, the Earth-2 Jay Garrick aka the Golden Age Flash. Jay Garrick (Earth-2) has been telling the truth about him losing his speed, HOWEVER he has been lying/misleading the group as to how he lost his speed and his relationship with Zoom (Earth-2 Hunter Zolomon). But let’s take a step back so we can explain this further.

    Do we all remember a big part of Earth-2 Harrison Well’s distain for Jay Garrick aka Gold Age Flash? A lot of it has to do with Flash/Jay not trying hard enough to stop Zoom, not “willing to do what it takes” to kill him, and a bunch of other sentiments along this line. Well surprise surprise, it’s because Zoom is Jay Garricks brother and he’s not trying his hardest or always seemed to come out the loser because although he wants to stop his brother, he just doesn’t want to fight hard enough that he could kill his brother. So Jay Garrick (The Gold Age Flash from Earth-2) is twin brothers with Hunter Zolomon (Zoom from Earth-2). So what about Earth 1 and the man in the iron mask?

    Well Remember how Jay Garrick tried to track down his twin on Earth-1 but couldn’t find him and could only find Hunter Zolomon from Earth-1? He was telling the truth about that. But do you also remember why Jay and Caitlan were there looking at Earth-1 Hunter Zolomon? It was because she wanted to use Jay’s dopplegangers DNA to help heal Jay. Do you remember what Jay told her? He said something to the affect of, that wouldn’t work because that guy is not Jay Garrick but his name is Hunter Zolomon; more importantly he told her that he knew for a fact that guy wasn’t a DNA match for him. HUH?!?! How in the world would Jay Garrick from Earth-2 know that someone who looks exactly like him on Earth-1 doesn’t match his DNA??? How did he know that the guy wasn’t just him but with a different name on Earth-1? What did he ask the guy for a blood sample? “Hey don’t freak out that I look like you but I need your blood, and yeah don’t freak out about that either”. NO He knew Earth-1 Hunter Zolomon didn’t match his DNA because he KNEW that was his brothers doppleganger and NOT his. He truly couldn’t find his doppleganger on Earth-1 even though he looked in ernest but neither him nor Caitlin knows why… But we do, don’t we boys and girls???

    Yup! You guessed it, it’s the man in the iron mask. You see, Caitlin very well CAN use the DNA from Earth-1 Jay Garrick to heal Earth-2 Jay Garrick – this would also more than likely bring his speed back and also bring the Earth-2 arch nemesis to Zoom back by restoring Jays speed. Zoom knows this, so Zoom took Earth-1 Jay Garrick and locked him away so there would be no chance of Jay ever using his DNA to restore his health and his power.

    If you remember, Earth 1 Jay Garrick, was tap tap tapping away in the previous episode and he tapped out the name Jay… he then became fuming mad when the Flash said “Yeah Jay is alive and well but he’s not with us”. Why? Because the man in the iron mask was trying to tell them his name and when they said that he was alive and well on Earth-1, could you imagine his frustration, confusion (I don’t believe he understand all that’s going on with 2 earths), and anger he must feel?

    So there you have. Zoom is Earth-2 Hunter Zoloman. Jay Garrick is his twin brother, Earth-2 Jay Garrick/The Flash. Earth-1 Hunter Zolomon, is just some guy from Earth-1 who’s not involved in all this, and Earth-1 Jay Garrick is the man in the iron mask.

    Whew! Master solved :)

    • Tin6od says:

      Honestly, I was heading in this direction but simply did not like the idea of there being twins on both Earths. However, more than likely, this is the correct theory. Nice articulation of the theory by the way. The only problem with this entire theory – the reason I did not favor it originally and discarded it – is that twins have identical DNA. Therefore, Earth 1 Zolomon would share the same DNA as Earth 2 Garrick if there was indeed an Earth 1 Garrick. Although it has not been thoroughly explained, I presumed the audience was to believe that Garrick was able to obtain a sample of Earth 1 Zolomon’s DNA and tested it himself without him knowing. However, here is a revision to my theory:

      There are only 3 of them and not 4. We know Zoom is Earth 2 Zolomon. We can extrapolate rather accurately that the man in the iron mask is Earth 2 Flash, Jay Garrick. The mystery surrounds the Garrick that was on Earth 1: Who is he? I believe he has been Earth 1 Zolomon this entire time. Check it out:

      I posed that Zoom may be two people. What if this is correct or damn near close to it? Zoom is Earth 2 Zolomon. What if Zoom has been working with Earth 1 Zolomon the entire time? When the wormhole opened up, Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick never made it through. Earth 2 Garrick was captured by Zoom – we clearly saw he was in the clutches of Zoom. Zoom, however, went through the wormhole and found his doppelganger, Earth 1 Zolomon. He put Earth 1 Zolomon up to acting as Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick. Remember when Garrick and Caitlin were on the bench and we initially learned of Hunter Zolomon from Earth 1? What if that was actually Zoom (Earth 2 Zolomon) himself, in the flesh, sitting on that bench as Garrick (who is actually Earth 1 Zolomon) played Caitlin for a fool? Perhaps this is the real reason “Garrick” does not have his speed any longer – it is because he has NEVER had any speed! He is simply normal ol’ Earth 1 Zolomon with no special powers at all pretending to be Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick whilst the real Earth 2 Flash aka Garrick is the man in the iron mask.

      Honestly, at this point, this is the only theory that makes sense considering Garrick’s DNA should match Zolomon’s no matter what – they are carbon copies of each other. For Caitlin to have been duped by this makes sense only for the moment, because she is caught up in love. However, I think eventually Caitlin will be the one who discovers all of this once she realizes what “Garrick” said doesn’t make any sense.

  16. Tin6od says:

    Okay, here it is, folks: The man in the iron mask is Earth 2’s Flash whose real name is Jay Garrick. We do not know what Jay Garrick truly looks like. The guy who has been calling himself Jay Garrick on Earth 1 has been lying the entire time – his real name is Hunter Zolomon, just like his Earth 1 doppelganger, and his alias is Zoom. When we see Zoom supposedly kill Jay Garrick, Zoom actually killed his Earth 1 doppelganger. The only stretch here is how can Zoom seemingly be in two places at once: on Earth 2 being frozen by Killer Frost and on Earth 1 helping stabilize the wormhole. My guess is that this is a testament to just how fast Zoom truly is – unimaginably fast, so fast that he makes Earth 1 Barry look like he is standing still. Everything showing Earth 2 Zolomon as The Flash is all misdirection because the story was given to us by Zolomon himself. Earth 2 Zolomon is Zoom who killed Earth 1 Zolomon to make it appear as if he killed “Jay Garrick,” however we have not yet seen Garrick’s true identity because he is the man in the iron mask. Hope that makes sense.

    • Tin6od says:

      Eh, noticed a hole in my own theory. Evidently Dr. Wells recognizes the man referring to himself as Jay Garrick as the Earth 2 Flash. Thus, this faux Jay Garrick shares the same face as Earth 2 Flash. This inevitably leaves the door open to a couple possibilities that I can recognize immediately: 1] Zoom is Earth 2 Hunter Zolomon and is the twin of Earth 2 Flash aka Jay Garrick who is the man in the iron mask. Zoom has been acting as Jay Garrick on Earth 1 the entire time and the faux Jay Garrick that Zoom killed was actually Earth 1 Hunter Zolomon – Zoom sacrificed him as a decoy to maintain the ruse. 2] Zoom is actually two people, both Earth 1 & 2 Hunter Zolomon.

    • David marsden says:

      If I haven’t read past comments then my bad, but Harrison Wells knows the Jay Garrick as we know him so there can’t be any suprises to what the real Jay Garrick looks like as Wells knows that he looks like Garrick, am I wrong or just confused?!!

      • Tin6od says:

        No, you are correct. I just posted at the same time as you correcting myself and editing my theory.

  17. batsupe says:

    I think people are asking some of the wrong questions. Obviously the man in the iron mask has Jay Garrick’s face. The question is whether or not this version of Jay Garrick is from yet another earth, or simply a twin from either earth 1 or 2. I’m guessing he’s from another earth giving Barry a reason to try and open the breaches to find other earths which may lead to Barry arriving on the earth that has super girl. Possibly by accident. Or maybe the earth that Jay in the iron mask is from is the same earth that super girl is from. Just a theory.

  18. John says:

    I think the Iron Mask man is the real Jay Garrick, but actually played by a different actor. I think that zoom is hunter zoloman but is telling everyone that he is jay garrick, possibly using a transmutater device like thawne did.

  19. Razenroth says:

    Earth-3 Jay Garrick killed Earth-2 Jay Garrick and kidnapped Earth 72358 Jay Garrick, witch is Iron Mask.

  20. Mega man says:

    Well the man in the mask is obviously earth two Wally West speedster collecting them hello duh lol

  21. Jack says:

    Know it is highly unlikely but any odds man in the mask is E2 Oliver Queen?

  22. xaviersx says:

    I had the feeling that they are all the same Jay but split by some tampering, I thought split at a cellular level hence the damage to the Jay temporarily on Earth 1, while Zoom was gathering speed force to heel himself, and caged Jay was powerless or a power battery. Zoom appeared to not want to see his reflection, or his better selves. It’s all comic confusion . . I’d say fun, but it’s taken so long for the show to play out the Jay/Zoom arc. I’ll hold dear to my speculations until further shows dispel my hopes and dreams.

    • Troy Brown says:

      That totally makes sense! Honestly, I love the show, but they make the characters a little stupid. You would think Team Flash would have been a lot more distrusting of Jay once they realized he’d lied about how he lost his speed, and how frequently he disappeared at critical junctures. They haven’t even asked much about Zoom.

  23. Robert says:

    The guy in the mask is the real Jay Garrick, tapped there by zoom. Remember what he taps to Barry before being interrupted by zoom, he tapped Jay and when Barry said Garrick he got super agitated

  24. Michel Beauchamp says:

    Arrrgh… I’m so confused… Somebody, please, shoot me!! :P

    • timothyahene says:

      I think zoom is jay from the future. He took too much velocity 9 and became addicted, but then discovered that taking the speed of other speedsters was more effective, and started to time travel to get more speed to keep his cells from degenerating

      • Razenroth says:

        If Zoom is Jay from the future, how can he still exist after killing himself in the past? I know that Timeline manipulation in Flash is weird. But beign able to kill yourself earlier is too much for me.

  25. James says:

    The man in the mask is the real flash from earth 2. Jay Garrick is zoom, and he never lost his speed…just pretended he did. In the episode where they escape from earth 2 back to earth 1…Jay is the last to come through the portal. This was a Jay Garrick from another earth…possibly 3. Zoom tosses him through and kills him right as the portal closes. To my knowledge I don’t believe Jay and Zoom have ever appeared on screen at the same time till then.

    • JP Logan says:

      Zoom’s accident derailed him from the timeline. he doesn’t have the speed force at all he just can alter the rate at which he moves through time thus giving the illusion of super speed and effectively allows him to be much much faster than the flash.

  26. Kurt Weaver says:

    If there’s an Earth 1 and Earth 2 why has no1 said anything about maybe I dunno, Earths 3,4,5,6 etc.

  27. the man in the iron mask is henry allen. sounds crazy, BUT:
    1. we can see that the man in the iron mask is a small adult person. (smaller than barry). and there is a scene, when csco almost dying. there we can see how small henry is while he stands in the background.
    2. look at the eyes of the man in the iron mask when he is crying at the end of episode 15. We know this crying brown eyes.
    3. Jay is the name of barrys older brother too. so he could be henrys son and thats why he is crying when he see his dead son at the end of episode 15.
    4. the blue lights of zoom. could it be cobalt blue? because he can absorb the speed of jay and barry. and cobald blue is barrys brother too

    • Hunter Zolomon says:

      The person in the iron mask is the real Jay Garrick. He is the Flash on Earth-2. Hunter Zolomon(Teddy Sears) is Zoom. It’s all clear after the 15th episode. The person pretending to be Jay Garrick who looks like Hunter Zolomon is an impostor(clone maybe). That is why he stood close to the breach for zoom to take him back to earth-2 at the end of 14th episode. Now the question is ” how does the real Jay Garrick look?”.

      • Hunter Zolomon says:

        The reason why jay garrick is still alive is may be because zoom’s life is linked to jay’s, (because zoom’s current speed is part of his speed and jay’s). If you watch the 14th episode properly zoom never says anything about killing Barry, but only about killing Jessie in front of her father Harrison Wells. Its just a theory, the reality may be something else. :P:P

  28. Naked Finger says:

    Here’s my theory. Jay is the Flash of E2 and is a good guy. Zoom is the future Jay of E2 and has been affected by his near death experience. This is classic Anakin/Vader theory. Zoom is not dead because Jay is not dead. His cells were regenerating from the Velocity 9.

  29. ASadFellow says:

    Damn you Variety, I’m midway through the season and I wanted more backstory to this Jay Garrick guy so I did a search on him on Google and the first thing I see? Jay Garrick is Zoom. *angry face*

  30. iTotskie says:

    It’s quite simple. The man in the mask is the past version of zoom in his Earth. He is in the box so Zoom can watch over himself and avoid that past him getting killed and getting Zoom killed in the process, like what happened to reverse flash and Detective Thawn.

  31. DGF says:

    I was sure that it could be maybe Bart Allen from the future!

  32. The amazing Hawkgirl says:

    I thought it could be GORILLA GRODD!! But this makes more sense.

  33. I had no idea I thought it was going to be Barry’s dad. But now I think the man in the mask is earth 1 Henry Allen

  34. BoomZoom says:

    Alright so get this, what if zoom was on earth 2 and once the breaches opened, he searched for his doppleganger. I mean what was Jay doing the whole time when he said he spent time in earth 1, where did he go? Zoom knew his counterpart would be named hunter zolomon. Zoom switched places with his doppelganger and tricked everyone. Once Caitlyn was suspicious about his doppleganger, zoom put earth 1 zolomon back so she would be fooled. Zoom then played eath 1 zolomon for the killshot. The complications is that zoom did not know who he killed. He can’t go back to earth 1 because he disguise is dead. I don’t know. This is what happens when they cliffhang us hard

  35. evapohler says:

    I’ve been developing this theory that there are a set of twins on each earths, but I can’t explain why Caitlyn can find no evidence of a Jay Garrick on E-1. So this is my new thought: Eobard Thawne from E-2 traveled back in time to destroy the E-2 Flash (Jay Garrick) and failed and got stuck there, so he took over Hunter Solomon’s body like Eobard on E-1 took over Wells’s, and he became Zoom. The guy in the iron mask is the real Hunter Solomon from E-2 and he’s in the mask to keep him quiet. He also would look like Eobard (blonde hair). The Jay Garrick from E-1 probably died in the car accident with E-1 Hunter’s parents.

  36. Reima says:

    jay garrick can still be the man in the mask. I don´t belive we have seen the real Jay…Only that Zooms clone has pretended to be Jay Garrick. nobody realy knows how Jay Garrick looks like…Or?

    • Of cource they know how Jay Garrick looks like, Wells confirmed it was him, confirmed he is/was Earth’s 2 Flash, and since he only wore that helmet on his melon and didn’t ware mask everyone on Earth 2 knows how Jay Garrick looks like

  37. Tom Carr says:

    I wonder if this is the point where the Earth-2 Green Lantern (Alan Scott) enters the picture because he is looking for his good friend, Jay Garrick who disappeared suddenly amidst suspicious activity in Central City.

    I would offer a battle between Zoom and the team of Barry Allen-Flash and Green Lantern would be epic!

  38. Barfy says:

    Q: Who is Cisco ? Is he that mask guy ? Not the cell guy, but that guy ? Hawkman ?

    So confused …

  39. Drew Jordan says:

    My theory:
    E1 Hunter Zolomon – Nerd in park.
    E2 Hunter Zolomon – Zoom
    E1 Jay Garrick – is the Jay Garrick the team met, who has no speed force, but Zoom brought to E2, thinking that since Jay Garrick on E2 was the Flash, that Jay Garrick from E1 might also have speed force. But then was convinced by Zoom to be his minion and find the E1 Flash. As referenced in the episode title, HE is the one who played them all.
    E2 Jay Garrick – is E2 Flash and the man in the mask

    Hunter Zolomon and Jay Garrick twins separated at birth, one of whom was adopted.

    • Eduardo says:

      Think even more: in the last E2 episode Zoom says he needs doctor Wells to extract Barry’s speed. The whole E2 Jay plot comes from Zoom taking away his speed… how does he not need Wells for Jay and yes for Barry? Of all the theories I’ve read this is the best one.

    • DCPeter says:

      Good point.

      • vasia says:

        But do you remember that fight when E1 Jay Garrick created some waves with his hat? It means he has some Flash skills.

      • Prince Chaponda says:

        Quite a solid theory you have, it fills out the spaces like why the E1 Jay we know didnt have the speed force, thinking back to the episode, the first thing the man in the mask asked was if Jay was alive because he himself is the actual E2 Jay.

  40. Jack says:

    Well, technically, it was Hunter Zolomon, not Jay, because JAY CLEARLY JUST DIED!!!!

    • Eduardo says:

      Think even more: in the last E2 episode Zoom says he needs doctor Wells to extract Barry’s speed. The whole E2 Jay plot comes from Zoom taking away his speed… how does he not need Wells for Jay and yes for Barry? Of all the theories I’ve read this is the best one.

    • Amy Foss says:

      Agreed to a point, Jumana.
      The Jay we know and love is actually Hunter aka Zoom. When he and Caitlin saw the other Jay in the park that person was actually the real Jay, TJWKAL just TOLD Caitlin that TRJ was Hunter and told here HIS personal back story I theorize that TRJ knows nothing about the epic battle of good and evil between speedsters on E1. It is possible that TJWKAL knew of the Flash’s history on E2, this Flash is the man in the mask which could be a future Barry or good guy Thawne or even a future Eddie that had no romantic interest in E2 Iris but was affected by the speedforce. Makes sense because E2 Barry was never zapped, never lived with Joe and grew up with his bio parents who are both alive, well and living in Central City.

  41. Sammy says:

    Skilfully played them? What the heck is Andrew Kriesberg talking about? Jay was a non factor because they were too busy focusing on their FELICITY 2.0 Patty (which was a waste of time). And didn’t invest in their villian.

    The reveal was predictable and ridiculous. No-one cared about Jay, they didn’t invest in Jay, it’s all silly and a repeat of Season 1 but WORSE.

  42. Dimitri says:

    I think Jay and zoom were working together his death being an accident as to his “this is unfortunate”
    Since zoom and Jay look the same they staged that park meeting where zoom just work a suit and glasses to meet in the park to rule out Jay as a suspect and get Caitlin to focus on developing velocity 9 for zoom
    Jays real name is hunter zolomon as in that’s who they are in the all the timelines
    Guy in the mask is the eobard thawne from earth 2 face hidden I dunno maybe to stop him from moving at super speed or something I don’t know or maybe hidden so that Barry or Jay wouldn’t recognise him that zoom managed to grab from the future steal thawne speed to get faster than Barry

    I dunno my two cents

    • Njnia says:

      i would rather say the guy with the iron mask is Wally West, the newapearing son and brother from the Westfamily. you can see his scincolour in some of the scenes.

  43. Anupam Biswas says:

    How Can Zoom be Eddie ? He Died. And What about Ronnie ?

  44. Howl says:

    I looked back on some episodes and saw some things. I think that there are 2 sets of twins: Jay Garrick and Zoom are twins on E2 and Jay Garrick and Hunter Zoloman are twins on E1, who were separated at birth, but the E2 twins were affected by the particle accelerator explosion. In the episode where Jay and Caitlin are looking for Jay’s doppleganger to help save his life, Jay said that there was no trace of a Jay Garrick on E1, but that his “doppleganger” was named Hunter Zoloman and he had been adopted into a different family. I think that Hunter was not Jay’s doppleganger, but he was actually Zoom’s. Jay’s real doppleganger is actually the man in the mask that Zoom is holding captive on E2. When the breach was opened, I think that Zoom probably took E1 Jay because he knew E2 Jay would go looking for him to help himself get better and because E2 Jay did not have his speed, taking his doppleganger back to E2 would be easy as Jay wouldn’t risk going back without his own speed to defend himself. So when Barry and Wells’s daughter were figuring out what the man in the mask was trying to say, he wrote out “JAY”. I think that he might have been trying to tell them who he was and had not been talking about E2 Jay. E2 Jay thought that E1 Hunter Zoloman was his real doppleganger because he didn’t know that he had a twin, but Zoom knew and he probably didn’t want Jay to know that because if Jay knew he had a twin, he would have figured out who Zoom was and we all know how big Zoom is on keeping his identity on the low. Essentially, Zoom was preventing Jay from getting better, and trying to get him at a disadvantage and hence why Zoom was always a step ahead of them, especially E2 Jay.

    • mr ussom says:

      I think your Earth 2 theory is solid, but the Earth 1 Jay theory needs some work. Caitlin couldn’t find any thing about a Jay garrick on E1. Possible that there was twins on E2 but not on E1. Making that possibly Wally in the mask. Not sure if the E2 Jay was actually aware of Hunter being a twin or not but surely Zoom knows!

    • Ripvan says:

      So u think that Jay from E2 knows he has a twin but thinks that his twin is dead or gone and has no idea that zoom is his twin?

      • Howl says:

        No, I think that E2 Jay had no idea of having a twin, but I think Zoom knew Jay was his twin. When he took E1 Jay, Zoom made E2 Jay believe that his doppleganger was E1 Hunter Zoloman when that wasn’t the case.

  45. “Who do you think is the man in the mask?”
    It’s Wally West from earth 2 100%

  46. Janus says:

    At first i thought he was barry from the future of earth 2…

  47. Jonathan says:

    I called this after the first episode of season 2, ha! It’s on my facebook for proof

  48. Jessie mcknight says:

    The man in mask behind glass is earth 1 jay

  49. Charles Roth says:

    Oh, for goodness’ sakes folks, Occam’s Razor! We know about time travel, we know about E1 and E2, and we know that Reverse Flash lost a lot of power travelling back in time. We don’t need E3, we don’t need twins or clones, or anything else that hasn’t already been introduced in the series.

    Put that all together, and here’s my theory:
    The Jay Gerrick that we know (and used to love) *IS* Zoom. The future Zoom. The “current” Zoom travelled back in time so that HE COULD GET THRU THE BREACH while it was still open. Somehow (this is the big question mark) he lost most of his speed in the process. (Time-travelling? Big fight with Barry that is a change in Barry’s timeline? E2 Wells earlier in time zaps him with a ray gun? A bad burrito? IDK.)

    So, future Zoom takes on the role of the “nice” Jay Gerrick, and plays everyone (as the script writer said!!) in the hope that the E1 Star Labs team CAN HELP HIM GET BACK HIS SPEED. Which they are on the way to doing.

    Except that his earlier self kills him by accident, reaching thru the breach. “This is a complication” — yeah, that’s Jay’s understated sense of humor to a T. And now we have the reason WHY he has to go back in time — to stop himself from killing himself!

    It’s a beautiful, classic self-generated time-travel paradox, in the tradition of David Gerrold (“The Man Who Folded Himself”) Poul Anderson (“Time Patrol” and many others), or Robert A. Heinlein (“All You Zombies” — which has a cool movie version, BTW.)

    • Christian Nguyen says:

      I like this one the most so far. BUT… when “future zoom” goes to star labs as Jay to help get his speed back, when he uses it with the serum Katelyn gives him, his speed is red like normal flash not blue like zooms… does that change anything?

      • Charles Roth says:

        Excellent question. Wild guess — costume! Barry (and Jay’s) red outfit leaves red traces behind, Zoom’s outfit is much darker. Anybody remember what kind of streaks Reverse Flash left behind? I’m guessing yellow, which would fit.

    • William Vezzosi says:

      I thought I was the only one on the internet with half a brain and who wasn’t buying this dumb twin theory. Thank you. It explains everything. His knowledge of speed force abilities, Future Zolomon and present Zolomon’s disdain for each other, and how we can have three characters who look like Teddy Sears. The big questions still are how does he lose his speed, what does the real JG look like, why was there no E1 JG. Maybe JG is E2 flash from future? And FZ uses his name and mantle to guise as a hero?

  50. JeffJway says:

    Dumb theory that is just for the fun of it:

    The man is the mask is actually ONE of the Flashes from the other earths (maybe the one that has Supergirl) that Zoom has found before and is played by Ezra Miller.

    This Flash was captured early in his Hero career and did not truly become recognised as a Hero in his world (thus no one coming to rescue him sicne no one knew of him) and Zoom stole his speed before trapping him in the glass prison. The mask is… well, just cos.

    This will allow the Justice League movie to happen wityh a different actor as the Flash..

    :p

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