‘Supergirl’ and ‘Flash’ Bosses Talk Crossover Repercussions and What Happened to James

Spoiler warning: Do not read on unless you’ve seen “The Flash” crossover episode of “Supergirl,” which took place during Season 1, Episode 18, titled “Worlds Finest.”

“Supergirl” and “The Flash” just pulled off the first inter-network crossover in recent memory, allowing Kara Zor-El (Melissa Benoist) to win back the trust of National City and make a new friend in Barry Allen (Grant Gustin), before the Scarlet Speedster raced back to his own universe over on The CW. But while Barry has to focus on Zoom, who is plaguing both Earth-1 and Earth-2, Kara will have to contend with the mysterious Myriad, which seems to have turned James Olsen (Mehcad Brooks) and every other human in her city into mindless drones.

Below, “Flash” and “Supergirl” executive producers Greg Berlanti and Andrew Kreisberg break down the crossover’s twists and preview what’s ahead for Kara in the final two episodes of “Supergirl’s” freshman season.

Mind Over Myriad: We now know that Myriad enables the Kryptonians to control the minds of humans, and Kreisberg says that in the next two episodes, “You’re finally going to discover why Astra did it. Originally when we were developing the series… Astra was trying to mine the core of Krypton and now she was [going to be] trying to mine the core of Earth, just to show the synchronicity, but Greg rightly pointed out that it should be something much more emotional and visceral. The more we talked about it, the whole idea of mind control [came up],” he explains. “As you’ll hear in subsequent episodes, you start to get very cogent arguments on the bad guys’ side for why Myriad is the way to go. For us, we always love it when the bad guys have a point – they’re leaving out the part about killing a whole bunch of people or you’re losing your free will, but next week Non gives a speech: ‘what has your free will gotten you? A planet full of reality TV shows and politicians who can’t stand each other, and you’re all [standing] by as global warming is coming to destroy your planet, and what if everybody was working in lockstep, what if everybody was moving in the same direction, what if everybody was working together – wouldn’t that be better?’”

While we humans obviously enjoy our free will (and some reality TV), Kreisberg points out that “Astra tried to do Myriad on Krypton and she was arrested and thrown in jail, and when she got out of jail, Krypton was destroyed. So as far as Astra’s concerned, she was right: ‘they didn’t listen to me and now they’re all dead.’ So she had proof positive that ‘my plan might’ve saved Krypton and my plan can save Earth.’”

Since Kara’s sister Alex (Chyler Leigh) and mentor Hank Henshaw — aka J’onn J’onzz (David Harewood)– are off on a mission to track down Alex’s father, who is apparently still alive, Kara will need some help tackling Myriad and Non in the final two episodes. “She has a couple of surprising players that you wouldn’t expect to be the two people who are completely unaffected by Myriad to help her,” Kreisberg teases.

Manhunter on a Mission: Kreisberg promises that we’ll catch up with Alex and “Hank” in next week’s episode; “we see them on the run in a very comical way.” Alex will obviously been torn between the need for answers about her father and what’s going on back in National City, the producer says. “She is on a mission, but Myriad taking over the entirety of National City is going to put into question which mission she should be pursuing; she knows her father’s alive and he’s out there, but the entirety of National City has been taken over and there’s going to be some discussion with Hank about which danger is more immediate and pressing.”

Unfortunately for Jeremiah Danvers, he’s apparently being kept under lock and key thanks to a secret government program called Project Cadmus, which DC Comics fans know well. “You’re not gonna see Cadmus this season, it’ll be something that gets saved for Season 2,” Kreisberg says, explaining, “we did run out of runway a little bit. It’s going to remain more of an evil spectery thing that’s out there, but it’s definitely something that we’re going to pursue. Cadmus has such a rich history in the comics and the animated shows. There’s so much there to mine — it’ll definitely be there in Season 2.”

Sealed with a Kiss: Barry was able to offer Kara some sound advice about when to speed things up and when to take them slow, and our heroine took that advice to heart by finally making a move on James — but once again, the timing didn’t quite work out. “Barry’s advice about when to go slowly and when to go fast really resonated with her and I think she realized that they’ve had so many fits and starts throughout the course of the year and so much of it was because one or the other of them didn’t stop talking and just act. The idea that just as they kiss, Myriad takes over… poor Kara’s horrible reaction after finally making the first move and he’s turned into a zombie just felt like the best Whedon-esque pathos,” Kreisberg says of the cruel twist they decided to throw at Kara and James’ first kiss.

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Earth-what? Fans of “The Flash” know that Barry already has some experience with traveling to alternate universes, but the producers say they purposefully kept the location of Kara’s Earth vague, mostly to avoid any DC Comics fans who know the specifications of each Earth that’s been introduced into the multiverse canon already. “I know the deeper you get into the Earths, the more specialized they become,” Kreisberg laughs. “This is an unknown number Earth.”

The Devil You Know: While Barry was unable to find any of his “Flash” allies on Kara’s Earth — no Caitlin Snow, Cisco Ramon or Harrison Wells — that doesn’t mean the producers have ruled out the possibility of familiar doppelgangers from other shows on “Supergirl” down the line. “There is room for that, absolutely,” Berlanti says.

“We just wanted to make sure that Barry didn’t have other options other than to work with Kara,” Kreisberg explains wryly. “‘Oh, there’s a Harrison Wells, buh-bye, crossover over!'”

Flash in the Pan: The crossover might be one-sided, but Grant Gustin tells Variety that Barry’s trip to another universe will still have an effect on him, going into “The Flash’s” last batch of episodes.

“My favorite thing about it was we were shooting our episode 18 of ‘Flash’ when I was simultaneously popping back and forth and doing ‘Supergirl’s’ episode 18, and it’s the episode where Barry does disappear and go to this other Earth, so it coincided perfectly,” he says. “Barry’s kind of going through it, as he does towards the end of the season, and it’s heavy and he’s been kind of down and this event — which doesn’t read at all in ‘The Flash’ script as affecting Barry, but because he’s gone and he’s on ‘Supergirl’ — when he comes back, it really ended up affecting my mood on that episode of ‘Flash,’ and kind of changed the arc for Barry for the next couple episodes. It helped give him some confidence knowing he had this other ally out there; he just came back with a more positive outlook than I would’ve expected him to after breaking the dimensional barrier and disappearing for a full day.”

Kreisberg agrees that the crossover has a little less of an impact on “The Flash,” because “this was really meant to be a more one-sided crossover,” but does promise that “you will know precisely when it occurred on ‘Flash,’ but we don’t dwell too much on it.”

Crisis on Infinite Earths?
The biggest question for many fans following the crossover may be “when can we do it again?” and the producers are certainly open to another, larger meeting between all the shows in Berlanti’s superhero universe — including “Arrow,” “The Flash,” “Supergirl” and “DC’s Legends of Tomorrow.”

“We would love that,” Berlanti says. “We want to wait and see the audience reaction to something like this, but just as storytellers and fans and fans of the actors, we love it when we can figure out a way, creatively, to do it, and hopefully everybody enjoys it.”

Berlanti admits that they always hoped to do a crossover between “Supergirl” and The CW shows, if the Powers That Be were on board. “From the day we cast Melissa, the notion of her in scenes with Grant — or someday maybe in the best of all worlds with Stephen [Amell, star of ‘Arrow’] as well, it’s exciting to think of them on screen together. There was a tonality to the shows. But a few things definitely had to go right – we were introducing this notion of Earth-2 and the multiverse on ‘Flash,’ and that had to work; we said very openly that ‘Flash’ and ‘Arrow’ exist in a universe where there’s no Superman or you would’ve heard about him – they would’ve at least had one conversation about him – and certainly Supergirl as well. So that was one thing, and there was the notion that it was two separate networks, so it was definitely challenging in that way because it’s not so convenient, it’s two separate cities that they shoot in. So you wanted the show to work and stand on its own on CBS, have its own audience, and we thought we might wait ’til the second season, but after Christmas we came back and we were planning out the back half of the year, and we saw a way we thought we could do it, and it felt like the right time for him to enter her world and help her out, and so it all came together. Everybody was very enthusiastic and supportive.”


“Supergirl” airs Mondays at 8 p.m. on CBS, “The Flash” airs Tuesdays at 8 p.m. on The CW.

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  1. anonymous fan says:

    I think it would be awesome if Supergirl would be in the Flash’s world if they were to do another crossover… maybe bring over a friend or 2 though, like Alex. She could have Jon/ Hank keep an eye on things for her and shapeshift into Supergirl if there was any extreme trouble because I mean he has the strength and flight abilities.

    • Porter Hall says:

      i think that the hole word has lost the minds flash does not meet super girl in season 1 why does every body think that it doesnt make sence plz tell me why

  2. Jeremaih says:

    I just want to say one thing about that article lol. In Arrow/ Flash universe there is a Superman…there was an easter egg in Arrow (i believe the first season) where an agent said something about how they do not care for a man in a red cape in the background. I mean yeah there’s quite a few superheroes who wear capes but what is the number one thought people think of when they hear “man in a red cape”. lol, I believe there’s a Superman in their universe, he probably isnt as big as he is in Supergirl’s earth, yet. Maybe in the future..idk somewhere in like their 6th season (The Flash) they could mention something about Superman like an easter egg and The Flash will kind apick up on that and be like oh that sounds like Kara (idk, just typing whatever came to my head lol).

    • Patrick says:

      Rip hunter gave another Easter egg in legends of tomorrow too. He said something along the lines of “I’ve seen men of steel die and dark Knights fall”

  3. Joel says:

    While I enjoyed the episode, I wish that they would have just put both characters into the same universe instead of using the multiverse. So there is or isn’t a Supergirl in the Flash’s universe? Really? If they do another multiverse (and network) crossover, having to cross over into other worlds just seems silly. They should have kept it all in the same world.

    • John says:

      Harrison Wells (in season 1) seemed intrigued in a sinister way when they fought a man who could turn into metal.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Harrison killed or imprisoned Earth 1’s Superman (possibly before he became Superman).
      Earth 1’s Kara wouldn’t be too thrilled with that and she might be evil or at least antagonistic towards team Flash. She also will probably be going by one of her alternate identities (Power Girl or Galatea).

  4. Roger says:

    The almost Gleeful (pun intended) relationship she had with Barry just proves how little she has with Jimmy Olsen. Relationships shouldn’t be that painful! She has more in common with Winn. They are both socially awkward but good hearted.

  5. I liked the episode. it was ok, not nearly the quality (story wise and action wise as the Flash , or “falling” -the best episode of SuperGirl) . The High points in the show (IMO) was Cat Grant and her remarks, Grant bonding with Kara and Winn , and the cliffhanger to the season finale. The lowpoints (IMO) was that it felt extremely rushed, ( it could’ve been a two part-er), the way they nerfed supergirl and the flash, the “makeover” of Banshee, and some of the dialogue between Banshee and Livewire. I would’ve liked more, but I know that they only had an hour. Supergirl has potential to be a great show like the Flash, and smallville. It just had a rough and awkward start but if you stick it through the first 5 episodes it gets better , or just watch post episode 5 and it get steadily better.

  6. Kevin Stern says:

    Yeah. yeah. When does Barry hit Evil Mirror Universe Earth? He’s said he’s been, so Supergirl takes place in Flash’s immediate future.

  7. Donna Trump says:

    Would have been better if Barry AND Iris visited with Supergirl. Poor Iris. She is such a poorly written token afterthought. That’s diversity for you. Like it and quit your complaining.

  8. bill neye says:

    i agree…can we get some women of color on this show …more overall diversity please!

    • Spider says:

      ….or more Latinas and Asians, wouldn’t you say? Diversity isn’t just about skin color in my book. Perhaps, you should revise yours.

      • Roger says:

        Didn’t you know? The only diversity the media apparently can see is black males. Latinos and black women both outnumber black men but they are almost nonexistent in the push for “diversity”!

  9. The thought of this show has always made me nauseous says:

    When Supergirl decides women are not all caucasian, and features other female races and nationalities on the show, it may be considered watchable. Right now, it is deplorable and pitiful, by design. How embarrassing for any network to offer such racist tripe! End it as soon as possible. In 2016, it is outrageous to put forth such a negative role model that slaps the face of diverse society. No child should have to think she must look like Barbie in order to be considered heroic or worthy.

    • Roger says:

      Wow! I never thought a show with an interracial couple would be considered racist. You’re wrong but I agree the media needs to expand their idea of diversity. Other than a black Iris West the only “diversity” we get is black males. No Hispanics, no Asians and no black women.

      • Batman says:

        Captain SIngh is Indian, and gay, so that’s some diversity. Curtis Holt, on Arrow, is black and gay, too. Melinda May on Agents of Shield is Asian, Cisco Ramon is Hispanic, The entire West family is black. These different people are there, they just aren’t in the comics, so people try to keep them to the way they were in the comics. Oliver Queen is somewhat of a womanizer in the comics, so making him gay would cut down on an entire aspect of his character, whereas making a lesser known character like Holt gay wouldn’t have the same impact, so they do that.

      • Yes, we have James and Hank, as well as the guest stars. The show is playing the game, but apparently you want it, and all other shows. to portray whites as minorites and have every single frame include the races of the world, every clique to have at least 4 races in it. Why not some handicapped superheroes or one with Down’s? Why do they have to be handsome? When is enough enough? Why don’t you just lay out the exact ingredient mix that you’d approve of, so we can shut you up? 2 whites, 4 blacks, 2 asians, 3 hispanics, at least 2 Native Americans, 2 Inuit, at least 1 Pacific Islander, and if there’s time a Jew.

      • Marc Blair says:

        Cisco Ramon is hispanic…and Linda Park, Barry’s ex is Asian(well half), Captain Singh is clearly Indian. The Flash is prob one of the most diverse shows on TV.

      • KET says:

        “When Supergirl decides women are not all caucasian…” You mean, like the Senator who was just on the show a couple of episodes ago. Idiot, you just outed yourself as a typical concern troll.

      • Roger says:

        You just outed yourself as an idiot. A guest spot isn’t the same thing as being a regular cast member!

    • steve says:

      oh here we go again, another self righteous black person complaining about lack of diversity. Save it for the next black panther meeting, we don’t care about it.

      • Cee Cee says:

        One of the most ignorant, racist, and unnecessary things I’ve ever read. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    • Eric says:

      Wow…are you a real life actor? Because that was a great, over the top, dramatic comment for no reason. Why even watch this great show then? Smh.

  10. Nanny Mo says:

    Yawn! How about a new character named “Power Nap.” Yawn!

  11. Tom T says:

    Here is an idea Berlanti, STOP MAKING SO MANY CHARACTERS KNOW THE SUPERHERO’S IDENTITY!!!! U do it in every show u produce and it is damn annoying.

    • Osiris says:

      Co-producer Andrew Kreisberg has gone on record as saying he doesn’t like secret identities.

      “secret identity is the least interesting part of the character. People knowing, and letting him talk to people and share that experience, we find to be much more interesting.”

      • Roger says:

        Kreisberg is an idiot. Heroes have always needed secret identities to protect their loved ones. If every criminal knew Bats was Bruce Wayne, Alfred would have been dead link nag ago!

  12. Notice the not so subtle nod to Project Blue Beam at Non’s HQ?

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