CW’s DC Crossover Producers Tease the Repercussions of ‘Invasion!’ (SPOILERS)

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SPOILER ALERT: Do not read on unless you’ve seen Season 3, Episode 8 of “The Flash”; Season 5, Episode 8 of “Arrow”; and Season 2, Episode 7 of “Legends of Tomorrow,” titled “Invasion!”

There you have it. With the end of “Legends of Tomorrow’s” episode, the first four-show Arrowverse crossover comes to a close. The Dominators were defeated, Stein (Victor Garber) now has a daughter, Barry (Grant Gustin) and Oliver (Stephen Amell) shared a much-deserved drink, and the CW pulled off what producer Marc Guggenheim calls “an exercise in insanity.”

“Every year we pull it off and it’s a small miracle, and then the next year we try to find a way to increase the degree of difficulty,” he said. “Truth be told, the whole thing is really an exercise in insanity and we just keep making it harder and harder and harder on ourselves.”

The crossover may be over, but the events in “Invasion!” will be felt across the shows going forward. Earlier this week, at a press screening and Q&A Variety attended, Guggenheim and fellow producer Andrew Kreisberg talked about those repercussions, whether this was the button on Flashpoint, and more …

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What will be the repercussions, or fallout, in the upcoming episodes?

Kreisberg: As far as “Flash” is concerned, in Episode 7 Cisco and Barry were probably at their lowest point — because Cisco learned that Dante had died as a result of Flashpoint. Their friendship has been renewed through the course of these episodes, and when we come back in Episode 9 Team Flash is in a really good place. They need to be, because they’re going to confront Savitar in Episode 9.

With “Supergirl,” it doesn’t really have that big an impact. She’s the one who brought the light. It was really Barry and Oliver who had to go on a journey, and she brought the fun and charm and kicka–ness.

Guggenheim: With respect to “Arrow,” going into Episode 9 you’ll see that Oliver has a new sense of purpose. The events in Episode 8 forced him to double-down on his mission, and also a reaffirmation of his bond with Thea — because they chose each other.

In terms of “Legends,” the two big takeaways are Stein’s daughter — you haven’t seen the last of her, you’ll see her again in a few episodes — as well as Ray (Brandon Routh) getting his suit back.

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Would you consider this the button on Flashpoint, or will there continue to be more ramifications going forward?

Kreisberg: There’s a villain coming up that’s another one of those husk villains created by Alchemy, so there’s that to deal with. The mid-season finale, Episode 9, kinda creates a new problem for our heroes that they weren’t anticipating — something that they’ve never faced before. Flashpoint won’t loom as large as the challenge that presents itself in Episode 9.

Guggenheim: “Arrow’s” mid-season finale has a fair amount of discussion about Flashpoint given the fact that the crossover outed it to the “Arrow” characters that weren’t Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards). They deal with it in some humorous ways actually, for example Curtis (Echo Kellum) is concerned that maybe he was straight originally.

Was the message that Barry sent from the future talking about Flashpoint, or was it about more changes he makes sometime in the future?

Kreisberg: The message from the future relates to Flashpoint, but it also may relate to something else coming up.

With Stein and Jax (Franz Drameh) keeping Stein’s daughter a secret cause strife within the group?

Guggenheim: “Legends” operates different than “Arrow,” which is all about people keeping secrets and secrets coming out, but I will say that we’re setting up “Legends'” mid-season finale where the ramifications of that secret do come into play.

What were some of the scenes that you wanted to get in to the episodes that were left on the cutting room floor?

Kreisberg: There was a little exchange between Sara (Caity Lotz) and Kara (Melissa Benoist) where Sara says “hey, do you want to get a drink when this is all over,” and Kara says, “I think you wanna meet my sister.”

It’s those little moments that were left on the cutting room floor. It’s amazing how many of them we were actually able to keep, because these episodes came in wildly over so it tended to be those little jokey moments that fell by the wayside.

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  1. unknown says:

    Wow I must be the only one that thought the whole thing was hyped way too much and didn’t deliver. The supergirl episode didn’t reeeally count as it was jus a normal ep aside from the last scene which was then repeated..they should of brought J’onn in on the action too. The arrow episode was boring beyond belief the only thing redeeming was the fight scene, BUT the flash was great and the legends ep wrapped it up nicely. Lets hope they do better next year

  2. iSRS says:

    I would love to see an “Extended Edition” release of the three Invasion! episodes (The SG scene was repeated in Flash) on iTunes with all these little bits back in. I would buy that in a second!

  3. Andrew Houde says:

    Not even mentioned is the ramifications of being recognized now as global heroes and to some extant as a team ?

    • iSRS says:

      I don’t think they were publicly recognized. I read somewhere that HRG (They just call him Glasses, but HRG seems more inspired) had a line that was cut about his cleanup and what people would be told. Basically, no one really saw the Dominators. The ships were explained away as weather balloons.

      • M-Wolverine says:

        Have the link where they said it? But even so, it wasn’t in the episode, and it makes no sense in story with the President speechifying. I don’t have it on my dvr anymore to see how many people were present again. But the structure of the scene makes the producers statements make no sense. Which they can do; it’s just lousy storytelling.

      • iSRS says:

        M-Wolverine – the producers said it was fairly small and that the General public didn’t know about the aliens, and the “clean up” story was that the ships were weather balloons

      • M-Wolverine says:

        They were all together getting recognized by the President to the public.

  4. canartalive says:

    So Barry and Oliver, who are not even from Legends, were more important to bromance than show us a scene with Sara and Kara, drinking friendly beer and talking about life! Oh well, I guess we will never get more women interactions on this shows.

    • Daryl says:

      “I guess we will never get more women interactions on this shows.” Um, have you not been watching Supergirl. A major plot there is the lesbian relationship. So give me a break. Not EVERY chance has to be taken to express progressiveness. They gave enough of voice to it throughout this crossover with some of Sarah’s lines.

    • JCMR says:

      Get off your fake moral libturd high horse. PC shit still going amuk. The reason is simple (yes, it really is !!!!) : Comics have A listers, and the A listers are Flash and Green Arrow. Everyone in DC universe are B list or C list. CW universe centers around FLash and Arrow, not Sarah Lance, a newby in comic world. Kara is in another Earth totally disconnected from FLarrowverse, and this Crossover is her ONLY connection to it (she remains in her own universe unfortunately). And while we are on a values trip, I would take more issue with forced imposition of lesbianism on my children than some superficial shit like “Awwwwww two girls dont have sisterhood”. Get your priorities in plce.

    • deni says:

      I guess, and moments like Mick objectifing Supergirl were also more important, so kids to learn that life is still too sexist, and there always will be ‘Micks’ to objectify women even if they are 100% above them.

      • M-Wolverine says:

        They also had Sara objectifying Supergirl, and then Sara and Mick objectify the new President. Why was it bad when only Mick did it?

        Frankly, Mick is a bad guy. He’s not supposed to be showing redeeming characteristics. You’d think you’d hold the more heroic Sara to a higher standard. But she’s a recovering assassin, so that’s pretty much in character too.

      • Daryl says:

        “Mick objectifing Supergirl were also more important, so kids to learn that life is still too sexist” That is Mick’s character and what it showed was that after being a pig and walking away, Kara and Cisco showing expressions of how rude/inappropriate it is.

      • Esta says:

        Oh, please cry more. These episode were amazing and the end was basically a close out to the crossover itself not just an episode of Legends. *eyeroll* I hope the CW will do many more of these crossovers.

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