‘The 100’ Showrunner Talks Bellamy’s Shocking Choice, Pike’s New Role

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Do not read on unless you’ve seen “Watch the Thrones,” the fourth episode of season three of “The 100.”

There has been much to like about the third season of “The 100.” As I watched the first four episodes, comparisons to “The Lord of the Rings” saga kept coming to mind. Visually, thematically and on a story level, this is the season in which “The 100” is expanding its universe, depicting a ragged but vibrant city and a whole host of fierce rivalries, showing formidable armies on the march, and depicting brief but nuanced moments of tenderness and connection between conflicted characters under a great deal of pressure.

I’ve seen some mixed opinions on the Murphy-Jaha storyline, but I’ve always enjoyed that odd-couple pairing and I’m willing to see where it goes. As a notable Season 1 Murphy doubter, I continue to be pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoy the character at this stage. “The 100” has engineered a generally impressive turnaround, in terms of who John Murphy has come to be — the cynical rebel with a well-disguised heart — and how he is positioned within the show. Being the voice of reason in Jaha-world is a thankless task, but Richard Harmon plays all the levels of that relationship with enjoyably weary bemusement. 

The return of Lexa has only been improved by getting to witness the games being played at her court. Alycia Debnam-Carey has been impressive since day one as the strategically savvy Grounder leader, and watching Lexa handle insurrection, deal with complicated political realities and throw dudes off balconies has been a treat. And it goes without saying that the more Clarke (Eliza Taylor) gets involved in Grounder politics, and the more that muddies up the personal and political sides of her life, the more I’m enjoying her sojourn in Lexa’s city. Throw in fine guest work from Zach McGowan as Roan and terrific action sequences like the hand-to-hand combat between Lexa and Roan (to name just one moment that entertainingly recalled “Spartacus”), and you’ve got quite the promising mix for the middle of the season. Visually and thematically, everything’s been kicked up a few notches. Even the costumes have been terrific. How about the fantastic Ice Nation get-ups? And then there’s Clarke’s incredible outfit when she appeared as a Grounder aristocrat, an image that is likely to keep Tumblr busy for a few months, at least. 

Except… For me, the story line involving Pike and Bellamy is a disaster.

And as I said in this podcast on episodes one through four, and wrote in this season three review, it’s not a problem that can be neatly excised and ignored as the show trundles on. Since season one, I’ve recommended this scrappy drama in part because it has usually laid out difficult choices with clarity and verve. When it’s working, “The 100” helps viewers understand why its characters make decisions that are sometimes quite gruesome and ruthless. Not so with what transpires with Bellamy and Pike.

That Pike is a one-dimensional and tiresome character is certainly annoying (and I have no problem with how Michael Beach plays the character — he’s a fine actor. My issues are with the conception of the character as laid out by showrunner and executive producer Jason Rothenberg). But the problem with this aspect of the show becomes much more acute when considering Bellamy, one of “The 100’s” core characters. What’s done to him in episode four is poorly handled, to the point that I’m on the fence as to whether the character can ever be rescued from the mess the show made of his arc.

The scene in which Bellamy chooses to ally himself with Pike’s faction is my least favorite scene in the history of “The 100.” Not because I think Bellamy would never do something difficult or morally repugnant. He’s been capable of those kinds of actions in the past, but when moments like this work on “The 100,” those choices have sprung from strong character foundations and have added to the shadings of that individual’s personality going forward. The CW drama didn’t give Bellamy much to do in the second half of season two, which is fine (other story lines that took priority were often thrilling and well-handled). But if this is the way “The 100” wanted to return Bellamy to prominence, all I can say is, oy vey. It just doesn’t work. 

In my view, “The 100” rushed through every single element that was supposed to get me to understand his decision to join Pike’s faction. We barely met his forgettable girlfriend, who ended up being an unfortunate instance of “fridging” in a show that has generally avoided such regrettable tropes. On top of that, Bellamy has known Pike for what feels like 10 minutes. The omission of an understandable set of motivations for a key character meant the moment was not just a dramatic misfire, but quite worrying.

If “The 100” is not a show that supplies well-constructed reasons when its characters to take reprehensible or questionable actions, then what is it? Is it just a well-directed show about survival? I suppose that would be all right, but in this era of peak TV, there are a number of shows that explore somewhat similar themes. This show is different because the most memorable adventures, actions, battles and scenes are driven, on some level, by character-based decisions that have highly resonant moral and emotional implications. We understand why decisions are fraught, and why the consequences of those decisions play out the way we do — and we’re emotionally involved because the flawed people on the screen don’t seem all that different from us. 

Clarke murdering Finn may have been the show’s high point when it comes to this kind of morally challenging moment: It was a terrible act, and I understood why many were furious with her over what she did. And yet I wept for her in that moment, because I knew what doing that cost her. That’s the kind of moment that made me recommend “The 100.”

But Bellamy choosing to back Pike is, in my view, the show’s low point, and I am worried about where those characters go from here, and whether it’s even possible to make that story line less excruciating, let alone redeemable. As I wrote at the start of the season, at times, “The 100” just gets ahead of itself and doesn’t give character trajectories and decisions enough convincing weight and believable momentum. I’m deeply concerned about the Pike/Bellamy storyline, but I’ll keep watching and hoping to be less disappointed than I was in Thursday’s events in Arkadia.

And now, without further ado, here is Part Two of my interview with showrunner Jason Rothenberg. (Here’s Part 1 of the interview, which has been edited and condensed.)

The show has spent two seasons showing viewers that there are different varieties of Grounders, good and bad, and there are alliances and conflicts and all kinds of interactions with Grounders. Sometimes those alliances work, and sometimes they don’t. And then Pike just comes in as the guy who is anti-Grounder in every scene, for rigid reasons, and that’s the only position he ever takes. The character just doesn’t work for me. He’s too one-note.

Here’s what mattered to me about that character. The backstory that he experienced, and that the Farm Station arrivals experienced, made what the 100 [ark survivors] experienced with the Grounders look like Disneyland. They had a much harder three or four months on the ground than even the 100 had in season one. That informed their world view, I think, in a way that justifies somebody like Pike being anti-Grounder and not seeing the differences between the clans and not recognizing [complicated relationships among clans]. Ice Nation is aggressively violent and war has cut his population of people down from 180 to 60 in three months. He’s just been losing people. To me, that made sense. A guy comes out of that crucible and he’s just there to survive today.

I guess there’s an intellectual logic to that description, but these are all things that happened off-screen. It’s hard to care, because I have not seen any of that.

You haven’t seen his experience.

Right. I can sit here and say that Clarke has killed hundreds of people and that she’s a mass murderer. But the reason I feel for her when she tells her mother “I tried” — the reason I have a lot of conflicting emotions in that moment is because I saw how hard it was for her to do all those things in Season 2.

Of course, yeah.

What she went through — those things are not abstractions to me. I understand what Pike went through but, on some level, just being told all this in exposition — it turns all of that into a thought experiment. It has no real impact on me.

That’s fair, for sure. [Farm Station survivors] were living their own story when we didn’t even know they were on the ground for the last season, really. What I was trying to create with Pike was — I’m not going to use the political figures that [we know in real life] by name in terms of the type of story we’re telling with when Mount Weather [is destroyed]. When it blows up in episode three, when Ice Nation destroys Mount Weather, that’s sort of a catalyzing event. That’s a definitive, culturally politically shifting event.

It’s their 9/11, and if you remember here after 9/11, that’s what happened. Suddenly intelligent people lost their minds. Suddenly every Muslim was the enemy. I’ve been told not to talk about it in these terms, by the way. But that was something that I found fascinating and an interesting subject matter for science fiction to get into, in a way that you can in science fiction without being too preachy.

So you see somebody like Bellamy make the decisions that he’s making informed by that event. By the way, as is usual for the show, I’m not trying to say he’s making the wrong choice. I’m just trying to say, this is his choice. It’s informed by this event.

But this was what we were going for. We were going for this 9/11 event that was going to have all of this anti-Grounder sentiment rise up in Arkadia, much the way that in this country, after 9/11, there was all this anti-Islam sentiment. People who love this country as much as anybody were suddenly being turned terrorists in the minds of [some] people. And that’s what happens in the show.

Lincoln, I don’t think it’s too far past [episode] four but Lincoln, this has come to matter to him. And he’s one of [the Grounders,] and then this thing happens and there are those in that world now that look at him as the enemy. That’s going to be really, really hard for him.

I love Pike. I love Michael Beach. I totally accept that criticism.

Well, it’s coming from a place of having seen how the show operated in the past — the Pike and Bellamy storyline wasn’t like that. To me, there’s an issue of drastic compression in that storyline. We didn’t see the election. And it’s not like that had to be shown, but we barely saw anyone react to Pike arriving. We saw some anti-Grounder sentiment, but only in bits and pieces. The four Season 3 episodes the network sent to the media — I watched every episode twice before we talked, just so I could really understand all the moving pieces. But for me, that timeline of Pike and Bellamy was just very, very fast. The election was so quick I didn’t even know that those in Arkadia even necessarily even knew who Pike was or that he had turned up.

We could have done a whole election episode. We talked about it, but we figured — I don’t know, I didn’t want to write that. I wanted it to happen off-camera. I loved the ending of episode four in terms the tectonic shift in the internal politics at Arkadia. I guess that’s been both our strength and weakness from the beginning — how quickly we burn through story and how fast this thing is skipping along. And you can’t show everything, and that was just something that, for better or worse, [we didn’t show]. I guess we’re trying to get to some stuff that [will make you say,] “I would much rather have had that than an election episode.” Maybe.

Aside from issues with Pike as a character, I have real trouble with the decision Bellamy made. It just seemed out of character. I understand that he felt culpability for Mount Weather, and for his girlfriend. But he’s always struck me as a pragmatic guy.

If you think about what Bellamy has experienced, even as recently as season two, when we were [delving into] the complexities of the Grounders… Lexa left him to die in Mount Weather. His frame of reference and his experiences with the Grounders has been nothing but negative. He hasn’t had any good experiences with the Grounders.

In the moment that he makes the choice to stay with Pike, he is one of those people that have that [change of heart]… I knew liberals after 9/11 that became conservatives overnight, and it didn’t make any sense to me and I didn’t agree with them. But it was a phenomenon that I found fascinating, and in a small way, I’m trying to do that with Bellamy. I feel like we try to do this [construction of difficult choices,] whether we are successful or not. I like everything to be sort of 49 [percent] versus 51 [percent]. I don’t like it to be easy. I don’t like anybody to be obviously in the right.

We had many long debates in the writers room about people who agreed with the Pike position and the Bellamy position. [Some said,] “They are going to kill us. Eventually the Grounders will turn on us again. As soon as it’s in their best interest to cut us loose and let us die, they’re going to do it. So we have to do what’s right for our people.”

My counter to that, if I was in that room, would be, that’s playing a losing game, because they outnumber you by a lot. The 12 clans could crush you like a bug if they wanted to.

Right.

So some strategic alliances are going to be necessary, just for survival.

Right. What you’re saying makes total sense.

At some point, it’s just a numbers game and you cannot win that game.

Right. Or you can fight until the other side feels like they’ve lost too much to take out this little group of people, and then you’ve won your independence. That’s sort of what Pike’s position is. It’s like, “They’re not going to make peace with us. They’re eventually going to take our land and our stuff.” That’s his philosophy. They’re going to take what they want eventually, and the only way to prevent that is to be strong.

That’s undeniably a huge political mindset. We have two political parties in our country. Obviously one of them believes that for the most part. And the other one is more about, “We have to be citizens of the world and we have to be good stewards of the earth.” Both positions have some merit. I was trying to represent both.

But when Bellamy makes that decision when he’s sitting there in that café talking to Pike — what Pike is advocating is a treason that will result in the mass murder of Indra’s army.

Right.

On this show, when people have done terrible things, it’s typically in response to an immediate danger. There is an immediate need to take action. But Indra’s forces are not beating down the gate and murdering people in Arkadia.

Right. They don’t know if they’re going to tomorrow. They don’t know, and Pike does not believe, that the Grounder army that’s parked outside their door is going to be a good thing. [*Part of this answer is redacted to avoid a potential spoiler, see the end of this post for the complete answer.] What he does in the next episode — it gets more complicated as the story goes on.

Pike is obviously at one end of the spectrum in terms of his view of Grounders right now. Does that become a more mixed position, or does he have cause to reexamine where he’s coming from?

He does eventually. I don’t know that we’re going to get all the way there this season or not. We’re putting him in a situation where he could have that awakening. And the story for me is not about Pike as much as it is about Bellamy. It was about creating an environment, a set of circumstances that would push him into that place.

He is the one who will ultimately come to realize… In the trailer that we released, he says, “What do you do when you realize that you’re not the good guy?” And Clarke says, “Maybe there are no good guys,” echoing her mother from season one. To me, that was more important — that he comes under the influence of Pike, this really powerful, strong leader, and Bellamy makes some choices that I think he comes to or should come to regret. That was a fascinating challenge, to try to tackle that character. Bellamy is just the hardest character to write, always.

Why?

Because he’s so layered and there’s so many different things happening emotionally all the time. And Bob [Morley] is so good, so I feel challenged to be able to give him little moments to play and big moments to play. I just feel that, for some reason, he’s always the guy who, at the end of the process, I’m like, “Did we get it? Did we get it?” My wife, who sits with me and really beats the crap out of the scripts with me, we push and push until we find the exact right [approach]. He’s always the guy that we’re at the end, still trying to make [the writing] perfect.

*Full text of redacted answer:

On this show, when people have done terrible things, it’s typically in response to an immediate danger. There is an immediate need to take action. But Indra’s forces are not beating down the gate and murdering people in Arkadia.

Right. They don’t believe that though. They don’t know if they’re going to tomorrow. They don’t know, and Pike does not believe, that the grounder army that’s parked outside their door is going to be a good thing. I don’t want to spoil too much, but a few episodes later events unfold where had he not done that and that army was still there, they’d be f——d.

Ryan McGee and I discussed the first four episodes of season three of “The 100” on the most recent installment of the Talking TV podcast, which is here and on iTunes

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  1. Charles B. says:

    Agree Pike’s character seems so one dimensional. But, not tiresome, he’s intense, and focused.
    I would like to see a flashback of what Pike was like on the space station, who the grounders took from him, and how this shapes his decisions. Pike has strong leadership qualities. The people elected him chancellor,but why. It would good to hear and see why most of the people voted for him. Especially now, during our 2016 Election season.

    Those that follow Pike, including Bellamy due so willingly. Kane said the people knew what they were doing when the elected him counselor. But did Pike know what he was getting. Did anyone consult with him before posting a grounder army so close? No. All he knows about grounders is they killed off many of the people he landed with. He has no personal relationship with them like Clarke or Octavia. His focus is survival of the people that he has been entrusted to lead. But he doesn’t appear to listen. That’s part of the one diminensional character presented to the audience.

  2. Kayser says:

    Hey look another black guy cool….wait he is a bloodthirsty mindless bigot who killed hundreds based on no evidence and is most likely a one season throwaway antagonist?

    Its ok, at least we have Jaha. Oh wait, he is shaping up to be an antagonist too? He is being led by some shady AI who’s final plan looks like something out of the Matrix?

    Par for the course The 100, guess I know why I stopped watching.

  3. Nephronz22 says:

    YES! I agree with everything in this article. Pike’s position makes no sense, because even if his stance is that eventually arkadia will wear the grounders out through exhibitions of strength to the point that they’ll gain independence, that makes him an idiot. He knows, maybe more than anyone, that grounder culture has a basis in violence (blood must have blood) so given the slaughter of their people and the far greater numbers( strengthened by a coalition) he really thinks they’ll just be like, “nah” and lick their wounds? They are willing to sacrifice their own people for the sake of vengeance, of course they would retailiate. Unless you give lexa the unrealistic desicion that blood must not have blood which is completely opposite to everything she has ever known bc why? Clark’s hawt? Smh

  4. Jessica says:

    Great interview. Glad someone had the courage to call Jason out on his bullsh-t.

  5. Jess52 says:

    I have no problem with Pike as a character, Bellamy’s decision to join him, or Pike’s insistence on the use of force. From a political science perspective Pike’s actions, guerrilla warfare, are weapons that the weak use to overthrow a seemingly larger force. While it has mixed results, when guerrilla warfare works it makes it too painful for the larger force to bother with the weaker force.

    Pike as a character works. His background is explained well and I can see why someone who watched over half of his people be decimated by grounders and then has the loss of 30+ more of his people deemed “collateral damage” would hate grounders and not feel safe around them.

    Bellamy Blake made horrible decisions throughout season 1. He shot the Chancellor to be with his sister. He destroyed the radio to the Ark He actively campaigned to have the Ark people think that The 100 were dead. When meeting Lincoln his first thought is to torture him. Bellamy has always had a very clear “us” versus “them” attitude with people and if you are not with him, then you are an enemy. Bellamy’s world view has only really been tempered by three people: Finn (who is deceased), Octavia (who has made it clear she wants to cut and run away), and Clarke (who is in Polis).

    As far as the election goes, it did feel rushed. However, I don’t think it’s a show ruining move. Kane and Abby would both have split a similar voter base. Anyone that was upset by the explosion at Mount Weather would have had a knee jerk reaction to vote for Pike.

    Now I’m not saying I like any of these plot choices, but I do understand them. I would have preferred to have seen what it was like for the 13th Clan to assimilate into Grounder politics.

  6. Angel says:

    First I would like to say that this was a great article …I see why Bellamy is following Pike. They had a past relationship that was mentioned when they reconnected in the forest pike mentioned his admiration for Bellamy and visa versa. Bellamy s girlfriend passing pushed him over the edge ….remember he trusted the grounder girl that he saved from the mountain he was caged next to her……she betrayed him ..therefore his trust has been broken . LOVE THE SHOW can’t wait for future explication of Jaha and virtual girl.

  7. Cate53 says:

    After hearing Mo and Ryan talk on their podcast about their big reservations of episode 4 in particular, I was very worried watching this episode. Thought Lexa might be a goner so I was thrilled the Polis storyline was so good – that fight with Roan and Lexa killing Nia was very cool!

    However I totally agree that the Bellamy/ Pike stuff is leading the show into uneasy waters. I’m in agreement that it moved so fast it is hard to see justification for the Ark people electing Pike and seemingly,heading down the road of open warfare with the grounders. I also agree that it makes Bellamy look like a bit of an idiot – but then again he has made dodgy choices plenty of times – as have almost everyone on the show! That everyone makes bad decisions sometimes is one of the things I find very realistic. They are in a difficult situation where black and white don’t really exist and life and death choices that result in terrible things happening is everyday!

    I do have more faith than Mo though after 2 great seasons of The 100 that JR and the writers can sell this in a believable way.

  8. Michelle says:

    I really like where this show is going. It has never been better. :D

    I think some people just dont understand all characters like they are meant to be understood. Like Bellamy – he has always done what is best for his people or this is what he think is best for them. He has never really trusted grounders, only ones he trust is Lincoln and (trusted not anymore) Echo because they had proved themselves – lincolnc with octavia (he saved his lil sis etc.) and echo helped him in MW. We saw in s3ep2(?) that he questioned Indras knowlegde in the rover when they were trapped. “you dont know that” -when indra said something like the trees were cut on purpose. But I dont think the writers have made him villain this season – he just makes bad decisions sometimes and then try to correct his ways..

    About Pike. He was teacher back in ARK. Bellamy and all the deliquents have been in his earth skills(?) class. And I think because Ark was quite an closed society – there were only about 2000 people (?) living, they all, atleast children/young adults, knew teachers very well and perhaps became quite close with them. To me Bellamys and Pikes interactions seemed like they knew each others and perhaps Pike has been kind of an important person in his life when he grew up in the ARK. And thats why i dont see any problem in Bellamy being in Pikes side.

    Y’all spend too much time trying to understand fictional characters actions.. when these actions are similar to what people in real life sometimes does- crazy choices and unbelievable changes..

  9. Jaime says:

    I liked this interview. I am also disappointed with the Bellamy development.Too rushed not enough depth explored on screen to make this jump believable. The idea that he would follow Pike so quickly and not Kane was not convincing. I am a little disappointed. I think the writers just have not handle this development well. Maybe the later episodes will explain more, I hope.as for Pike, I know one dimensional people just like him in the form of modern day racists and extremists in the US. So, a “Pike” character is unsurprising to me. His antigrounderness I think is so repugnant and nauseating for people that you can barely stomach the guy (though I am totally in love with MB who is an awesome actor and does a great job with this character). The most disturbing part of this interview is what Jason says at the end that later episodes will show how eliminating Indra’s army outside arkadia will prove that Pike’s and bellamy’s decision will turn out to be a good one? Did I interpret that right or not? Stay tuned, I guess.

  10. Jeanne says:

    Octavia will express all the anger, disappointment, and sadness, we have toward Bellamy. :-( It is all so sad. What will Bellamy’s redemption if any? Kane was once unforgiving and cold. They killed all those Arkers in space for nothing. Where is Murphy and how does his character compare to Bellamy?

  11. Jeanne says:

    I truly understand the concern with Bellamy’s character, and disappointed, too. How do we justify what Bellamy will do, especially after what happened to Finn? However, I remember Bellamy losing his Mom and Octavia when on the Ark to the leaders of the Ark. Bellamy lost Clarke, his moral compass, to the Grounders/Lexa – believing he wasn’t enough for Clarke. Now Bellamy has lost Gina, who we did not get to know, but appears to be his moral compass. His choices are to protect his people, and Clarke rejected Bellamy again, but with no time to explain and to give him the encouragement and faith he needs. Like Roan said, Clarke, left her people. Nothing justifies killing except for immediate defense of your life – so these reasons appear weak – but as humans, we are emotional beings trying to think rationally and justify are actions.

  12. ... says:

    Jeez, it’s like this guy did something to you personally. The grilling here was a bit much.

  13. lecticia says:

    I thought Bellamy’s decision relied more at Echo’s betrail + Clarke’s staying than Gina’s death or the attack itself. He felt deeply stabbed twice, so he wants to prove that Grounders are not acceptable. But with that explanation, I can’t accept Bellamy’s behaviour anymore. Go on Octavia, punch him for all of us.

  14. Vasilisa says:

    I agree with you, Mo.

    What’s more, it’s mind boggling to me how Jason uses 9/11 as reference. 9/11 was that impactful, because no one in USA believed that they can get attacked so terribly on their own ground.

    The 100 world is different than 90’s USA (because the 9/11 was last day of this era).

    In the 100 world you can get attacked any moment, to survive you have to act fast, BUT every moment of peace and calm is like a treasure in a sense. It’s not believable, it’s not pragmatic, it’s not logical for Bellamy to go out of his way to ruin it. Things are/were calm at the moment. Bellamy loses his trust to Grounder? Fine. Let him get prepared, in case, what if they attack us… Show us that.

    The other execution that could have worked here, is Rick from TWD constantly checking walls, Rick who was unable to handle this calm before the storm, because everything he came through was not allowing him to let go even a bit.

    And this takes time.

    Bottom line is, this wasn’t handled right, the allegory doesn’t work, it doesn’t translate in any plausible way on the screen. Majorly disappointed.

  15. Phil wagoner says:

    I’m baffeld that Abby as acting chancellor is not taking charge of this situation. The sky people are to soft on letting someone openly debate them and make them look weak. I know they are trying to be somewhat of a democracy with the voting of their leader. But I would strung pike up for challenging me trying to start a war that can’t be one. And Bellamy, shit Bellamy what’s wrong with you. I used to be bellarke but after I saw lexa kick some ass I’m bandwagoning to clexa. How could you Bellamy, how could you?

  16. First I thought Pike had some kind of deal with the Ice Queen. He’s been a one sided character, with no depth, tunnel vision, and nothing else other than “grounders bad, kill them all”. And it’s just very annoying. Not to mention, stupid. Does he really think killing the 300 men outside the camp and starting a war against people whose whole life has been about war, and he is gonna win? I give him 3 episodes before he either dies, or gets killed.

    Bellamy redeemed himself through 1st and 2nd seasons to just become a traitor. Again. Back where he first started after shooting Jaha.

    I hated Murphy on Season 1, but he’s been the only one who seems to be having any kind of fun. And it makes a great character.

    Decisions like Clarke killing Finn, and trying to kill the Ice Queen, or Lexa choosing her people in Mount Weather is what made it a good show.

    But if they’re just gonna start making up conflicts, I can see the show going downhill very close.

  17. Manu_Floripa says:

    the thing is, Bellamy has a huge fan base. That Jason hates, always did. Last season Bellamy got nothing, and still had a huge fanbase. He was Clarke puppy. By the end of last season Lexa left everybody there to die and people should think that she did something right. Now he is making Bellamy kill inocent people for him to be just as bad as Lexa was, and his fans dare to deffent him. He should just kill Bellamy of and his fans should stop watching the show.
    I hate Clarke, so I don’t care about her and Bellamy, but I hate that they ruined him and Octavia

    • Miles says:

      Honestly your post reminds me of the angry Bellarke shippers I have run in at times, that believe JR has some notorious hate for Bellamy and Bellarke. An idea that to me seems be shaped by the fact that he hasn’t put Bellamy and Clarke together, and Clarke shacking up with Lexa.

      Why should Jason hate one of his own characters? He is a writer, and writers have a huge tendency of loving all the characters they made, because they made them. Reading interviews by writers they will talk about characters like they are their children, and how they speak to them and plots form in the minds and so on. Writers love that fans love what they have made. It makes no sense to accuse him of sabotaging a character because he supposedly hates one of his own character’s and their fanbase. Do you think he hated Finn to? And the fanbase Finn had? I seriously doubt you do.

      What JR is doing has nothing to do with Bellamy/Bellarke fans. Also Bellamy is no stranger to killing or trying to kill many innocent people as per his actions in S1 (that I realize many in his fanbase handwave but they are there nonetheless) so it is pretty false to claim JR is doing this because he hates Bellamy and his fans. Another thing is that Bob Morley has been very open about wanting to play more S1 Bellamy, and that he misses that more grey character instead of Die Hard Action Star Bellamy.

      Bellamy needs to grow. This show often instigate that by putting characters through the wringer. In S2 Clarke was faced with one huge hard morally dubious decision after the other, which helped us learn her character more and see it develop. We saw her struggle to be the good guy in a world that doesn’t really reward that. Now it is Bellamy’s turn, and while the start is so badly executed, it is done with the intent of letting us see how Bellamy deals when placed in places with no good or easy options out.

      • Miri EsPunkt says:

        Sorry, this reply is addressed to Manu_Floripa, but couldn’t find a reply button there…

        The Bellamy we know from the show totally IS Jason’s character.

        Do you know about the development of the TV show “The 100”? That when the filming rights were sold and Jason began writing the TV show only a few draft chapters of the book and a few (not very in-depth developed by this time) characters existed? That there didn’t even exist a completed book version of “The 100” when they began filming for the TV show? That the first book was released when they were half way through filming S1 and almost done with writing S1? That Jason and Kass Morgan had their very own ideas for the story and how to develop their characters? That they worked completely independent of each other? That the first book only covers as much as the first episode of the TV show? That’s why TV show Bellamy totally IS Jason’s character.

        Before calling someone “crazy” please get your facts straight!

      • he did no created Bellamy are you crazy? he created Lexa, and Finn and others, not Bellamy. There is no coming back from him, Bellamy needs to die just like Finn.

      • Debs says:

        Because Bellamy ISN’T his character. He’s an obligatory character from the books that he’s now forced to keep around because he’s the most popular male character.

        There’s no big conspiracy in seeing he hates the character. He totally sidelined him last season. He’s gone from the co-leader and Clarke’s competition to being nothing but a 3rd tier foot soldier last season to a villain this season. I mean, really? This ain’t brain surgery. Even mainstream tv critics are like “WTF happened to this character?”

        It also takes about 3 minutes to look at JR’s twitter or media coverage and realize his focus is 100% on Clarke and Lexa. Everyone else are just puzzle pieces to be used to push their storylines. Sometimes not even that…witness Raven, a “main” character, who’s been MIA for half the episodes and barely present in the ones she IS in.

  18. Sara says:

    Something’s off this season. It all feels way too rushed & forced. It seems like all effort has gone into Lexa/Clexa/Polis and they’ve rushed the rest of the stories and don’t care about certain other characters. Raven, Lincoln, Octavia and Abby are ignored, written badly or are ooc. Like the Abby opening up MW for example. I get why she would decide to open it as a hospital (and it would have been good to actually see that play out for a while before it was blown up, but again…rushed) but moving the Farm Station survivors in? No way do I believe that Abby would do that after she had to be persuaded to bring Nyko there and after seeing how she listens to Lincoln and Kane when they advise her. It was so forced to get those people in MW. It probably happened off-screen because there was no way to make it seem unforced onscreen and so they could just quickly skip past it with a few words from Kane being all we got.
    It bugs me to see characters like Abby being sacrificed for plot (or for Kane’s development…) She’s not stupid but we’re being told she is, being told she’s a rubbish Chancellor without seeing any evidence of it. Arkadia seemed to be doing just fine so how bad could she have been?

    Sorry don’t know how this became about Abby but anyway…the Bellamy/Chancellor Pike stuff…just no. That definitely needed more scenes, more build up. But hey at least we got to spend 3 minutes with Lexa and Roan swinging swords…that was necessary.

    I’m worried about the show at the moment.

    • Miles says:

      The is the thing about perception, because Bellamy had more screen time than Lexa. I think he might even be in the running for having the most so far – out doing even Clarke. The problem is the development of it all. Instead of Gina they could had used a more known face like Harper, and perhaps have Octavia injured heavily by the MW explosion instead of being with him in Polis screwing things up. He didn’t know those people in MW that died except Gina, where we saw so little of them to form any proper emotional connection with them.

      Also I feel it is very disingenuous to say that Raven/Octavia/Lincoln/Abby are getting short charged because of the Polis story line (that first started really in episode 3 so wut?) that involves the main character. And it is also expanding the world, exploring important aspects and currently the most solid part of the show. I can easily say those characters are getting the short end of the stick in order to give Bellamy more screen time so he can screw up and get another redemption arc. And to make it worse, they are getting screwed over in favor of a really poorly executed Bellamy focused story line. But I don’t think that is fair to any of the characters.

      Bellamy as a character got a very hatch job redemption in S1. He literally tried to get everyone on the ark killed because he feared retribution for his assassination attempt. Thousands of innocent people dying a slow and horrible death. He eventually caused the death of 320 people and felt sad about it for half an episode, and then his remorse was never alluded to since. Furthermore he never showed remorse for trying to kill all the Arkers to begin with, or pain over his part in killing the people in MW. So I can see him not giving a damn about butchering what to him would be “just a bunch of grounders”. However the stupidity is what hurts. From a tactical point of view they would be screwed. Bullets run out and between the people in Arkadia and the Grounders who has experience in siege warfare? The Arkadia people are newbies when it comes to war, with their tech being their biggest advantage but still not an instant win.

      So while I don’t think Bellamy on an emotional level would care about killing many innocents as soon as it comes up against what he perceives as his own survival (and now the people he cares for), I just can’t believe anyone can be this stupid. Bellamy never been one of the smart long term thinking leaders. He relied on his immense charisma when he used and manipulated the delinquents for his goal of killing the Arkers, but despite of that he should frigging know better. Gunning down 300 Grounders sent to protect ya is not going to do anything positive for your people, no matter how you try to spin it. There are thousands others that are far better trained in warfare and experienced that can then come for your ass.

      • Michelle says:

        I agree with your thoughts about bellamy being capable of killing people without having much remorse but i have to disagree with your —— ” I just can’t believe anyone can be this stupid. Bellamy never been one of the smart long term thinking leaders. He relied on his immense charisma when he used and manipulated the delinquents for his goal of killing the Arkers, but despite of that he should frigging know better”—— Yes he should know better but sometimes people are STUPID even in real life.. Bellamys character reflects real (irl) people who make such decisions. Bellamy was betrayed by echo, lexa etc. He doesnt trust grounders and he is acting based on his personal feelings and experience. Same with irl people – if a person from a different country do something bad in your country, many people start to see all those foreigners as ‘bad’ when only that one person was the ‘bad’ one..

        I really like where the show is going and i havent seen anything OOC (out of character) things happening with any of the characters.

        I dont understand why people would have wanted to see the election happening ?? come on guys.. that would’ve been boring scene.

    • Logan says:

      She’s always been a terrible chancellor. All throughout season 2 she continually failed to see the bigger picture, she’s a better doctor than she is a chancellor

  19. Bonnie Brown says:

    OMG!!! I agree with you 100%! I am so upset by this Pike/Bellamy storyline. I feel as you do that not enough lead-up was done to make it feel plausible, but also they fell down on the writing of Kane and Abby’s characters in this storyline. I can’t believe they just stood by and let this terrorist drive them to make such a bad move, and I can’t buy into the whole of Arkadia just going along with it. They have spent the last 3 months building a home and building a bridge between them and the Grounders. They have had peace! They realistically would not have condoned this, IMO

  20. Logan Hollis says:

    I agree with the issues/concerns you display here, Mo. It did feel rushed, and in the moment it doesn’t feel right. I hate Pike, now if they show some of it later in the season or give him some solid background, then yeah I could feel for him more; right now he feels like a card-board cut out. I’m really surprised they didn’t do a flashback scene of the Ice Nation’s attack after Farm Station landed, I feel that that would have properly displayed just how awful their experience was.

    In regards to Bellamy, I almost immediately understood where he was coming from. He has never really come off as pragmatic to me, I’ve always seen him as a character who is ultimately controlled by his emotions. And the decision he made here was ultimately an emotional decision. I would note that the people who chose to side with Kane were people with experience around Grounders. The Abbys, Kanes, Octavias, and Lincolns of the world of The 100 who have spent time and had good experiences with Grounders. It was mostly Farm Stationers, common people, and the remnants of the 47 who sided it Pike and Bellamy, and I feel that is an important delineation. Bellamy has only had a good experience with one Grounder Lincoln. The other two that he has trusted have tried to kill him and his people, first Lexa then Echo. He has every reason to let a drastic event like this turn his so quickly.

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